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Post by parazesis on Jul 24, 2007 19:16:51 GMT -5
Ok ive been reading all of this and I am going to put in my opinoin on all the aked questions thus far
Jaquleen can't kiss D'art because if she tryed anything it would go to his head
Jaquline- 20
Dart, ramone and seroc probobly about the same giv or take 1-2 years
I do belive her brother is older though many fanfics have speculated that she is adopted
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Post by tzigone on Jul 26, 2007 7:43:18 GMT -5
I always felt like she was older. I have no idea why. I actually thought it was canon, until I rewatched all the episodes. Maybe because she seems to be the decision-maker, the one to take charge. Of course, I know that proves nothing. Just a general difference in their natures. In any event, I think they are very close in age.
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Post by queengwen on Jul 26, 2007 8:39:23 GMT -5
Older than D'Art? or her brother?
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Post by tzigone on Jul 26, 2007 16:50:16 GMT -5
Older than her brother. For d'Art, I think she's younger based on actor appearance (he appears older than 20, and I'd approximated her not much older than that from dialog). But I never really thought of that a relevant. He's a bit immature, but I don't really think of him as younger on that basis. I could, I guess. I generally put all four of them pretty close in age. Actually, I'd have thought Ramon younger than 28 (25 tops for them all) - I guess because they all are basically at the same stage in career and act the same stage in development, mostly. Now, if I could just figure out why no other musketeers (even more experienced ones) ever get important jobs, I'd really be a genius.
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Post by queengwen on Jul 26, 2007 16:56:43 GMT -5
lol!
I would guess the men at 23-25 and her 20, 21. my guess.
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Post by jeantre16 on Jul 30, 2007 20:42:36 GMT -5
Now, if I could just figure out why no other musketeers (even more experienced ones) ever get important jobs, I'd really be a genius. This is an excellent point which has crossed my mind from time to time. The "original" musketeers were favorites of their captain for different reasons. I suppose these four are "favorites" of Duval's for certain reasons too. D'Artagnan's favoritism is rather obvious, but what do you suppose makes the others "elite" in Duval's eyes?  |
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Post by tzigone on Jul 31, 2007 6:33:30 GMT -5
Good question. Siroc is a genius. Despite that his experiments don't always work 100%, he has a keen mind and comes up with some good stuff. Jacques is an exception swordsman. Not sure what Ramon's would be there.
Actually one thing the three all have it common is that it could be logically speculated that they are all outcasts to one degree or another. Of course, we don't know for sure, since I don't recall a musketeer other than those five ever getting a line of dialog. But Siroc is a former slave among nobility (and he's non-nobility and a weirdo even if everyone doesn't know that), Jacques is a girly-man and Ramon is a Spaniard. I actually wonder how someone else in show might think of the Legend's son choosing to surround himself with this sort of people instead of going for the glory-boys or those that could improve him politically - but I guess that's a thought for the d'Artagnan thread. In any event, we know Duval takes note of that kind of thing (since he took time to talk to Jacques about being teased), so I could see that he specifically gave them chances to prove themselves on that basis - and that they proved themselves very well, and thus got more big jobs.
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Post by vigilanti on Jul 31, 2007 16:12:32 GMT -5
You could also speculate that in a city as large and important as Paris where one would suspect musketeers and cardinals men have a consistant rivalry and a young king in need of supervision and guidance there is likely quite a bit going on that we know nothing about. I don't think duval was particularly guilty of favoritism. Every musketeer in the corps likely diserves his own story but we never get to know them. And why is this you might ask... the truth is cameramen tend to follow around the musketeers most likely to get into trouble, which would be our four. Young d'artagnan is a magnent for the lime light, son of a hero. the media is intreagued by such things, and those around him necessarily get caught in the afterglow.
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Post by ladydartagnan on Dec 15, 2007 20:36:47 GMT -5
I had a horrible thought earlier, and a bit of a possibly very far-fetched speculation, sparked by someone saying on another thread that the thing with Jacqueline's cross kind of gives off that "she's not who she thinks she is" possibility, as well as i think it was thedaringhattrick who mentioned something about several fics speculating that she's adopted. Anyway, here's my two cents worth: The idea that perhaps she has more ties to Mazarin than anyone actually realizes through the cross, that maybe she doesn't have any real blood ties to her father and gerard, but instead she's mazarin's daughter but no one but possibly him knows it somehow... and somehow she got it from him, but then, depending on how long she's actually had it... hmm... dunno, it was a really bizarre, twisted thought that popped into my head while i was checking the laundry... meh, my mind wanders like that. If nothing else, it's an interesting plot for a fanfic.... I might write that if I get a chance.
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Post by ladydartagnan on Dec 15, 2007 20:38:57 GMT -5
uh, scratch that, it was parazesis who mentioned something about some fics speculating that she was adopted... heh, sorry about the mix-up there, i had a temporary blank moment and didn't bother to scroll up lol.
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Post by jeantre16 on Dec 18, 2007 9:37:17 GMT -5
While deciding the course of my fic, Sign of the Cross, here's some notes I wrote about the possibility of Jacqueline being Mazarin's daughter.
MAZ IS OUT in capital letters!!! That would be a "Luke Skywalker" redeeming his wayward father story. LOL!! Could you see it, Maz was a good man at one time, but fell under dark order hypnosis. Jacqueline redeems him. LOL. NO!!!!
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Post by ladydartagnan on Dec 18, 2007 12:22:23 GMT -5
Yeah, that probably is a bit too far-fetched, lol. It makes for interesting speculation, especially when you've only seen a couple episodes. Hm. Jacqueline=Mazarin's daughter... If that's the case... poor girl. @_@ *Head explodes* Okay, I'm gonna stop talking before my mind wanders too much again lol.
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Post by queengwen on Jun 21, 2008 18:38:28 GMT -5
But she has ties to someone important... that seems to be what they were insutating there at the end of 'secrets'
just left to us to imagaine who...
wow... no one has been in here in a while. We must get back into the topic!
In one way or another, each of our '4' seem to have 'trust issues' and that's the meat of it..w/ out genunine trust...or complete trust... there's no perm or longterm realtionship..or one that works anyways.
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