Post by tzigone on Jan 7, 2016 15:10:51 GMT -5
I was mainly think about their thoughts on social order, rank, hierarchy, etc. But I have a little to say on religion, too. Obviously, of course, their beliefs are quite anachronistic, and not at all true to their time and place - we wouldn't like them if they weren't. 
Jacqueline seems the most religious of the four. Particularly in the scene with the frog, we see Ramon and Jacqueline quite uncomfortable, while d'Artagnan thinks it's neat. I'd guess Siroc is the least religious, but he's no atheist (alas, the only atheists are the evil cult members - that kinda sucks). He asked to be prayed for rather sincerely when building his weapon, and I think he crossed himself in "Rub A Dub Sub." d'Artagnan seems quite unhappy with Catholics being forced to renounce their faith - not sure if he'd feel the same about Jews or Muslims being forced to covert. Anyone else have any insights on religious beliefs?
Politically - Jacqueline cares about France. I mean, she loves the adventure of being a musketeer, don't get me wrong. But she very much cares about her country. Recall her words to her royal suitor. I really don't have a good idea on Siroc and d'Artagnan. I don't think Ramon cares - about Spain or France (I mean, he left Spain and now serves a French king). His duty and loyalty are derived more from personal integrity and having given his word than from the belief in the worth of kind or country. The not-in-the-US-aired rhapsody in the transcript for "Chameleon" did have Ramon commenting on the immorality of the taking (stealing) the Indian treasures, I think.
Social order - Hmm, there's an iffy one. It's so little addressed in the show. None of them espouse the innate superiority of Kings or nobility (such as I've seen in historical letters and the like) or that the poor are vulgar or innately deserve less. Yet none of them express any thoughts that the poor are exploited or uncared for or unfairly unrepresented in government or deserving of better lives, either. The issue is pretty much unaddressed. Obviously, the show doesn't show the reality of poverty, but I don't even recall urban poor ever being seen or mentioned. I could understand the idea that this is just the world and they don't think of rank or status, but that's particularly illogical for Jacqueline, who has been exposed to two very different realities (though her family was by no means particularly poor, given what we saw of their home/possessions). The closest I recall was from Ramon and his "all people shine to those who love them" (or something similar) in "Enchanted" when he specifically disavowed the notion that some people were innately "more" than others. I don't know if he'd apply that in royalty v. nobility v. ordinary, though.
Interestingly enough, the only explicit reference I could find to either disavowing the right of royal or inherited rule or worship of God - both positions I agree with - came from the evil cult leader. Not sure what that says about me.
Jacqueline seems the most religious of the four. Particularly in the scene with the frog, we see Ramon and Jacqueline quite uncomfortable, while d'Artagnan thinks it's neat. I'd guess Siroc is the least religious, but he's no atheist (alas, the only atheists are the evil cult members - that kinda sucks). He asked to be prayed for rather sincerely when building his weapon, and I think he crossed himself in "Rub A Dub Sub." d'Artagnan seems quite unhappy with Catholics being forced to renounce their faith - not sure if he'd feel the same about Jews or Muslims being forced to covert. Anyone else have any insights on religious beliefs?
Politically - Jacqueline cares about France. I mean, she loves the adventure of being a musketeer, don't get me wrong. But she very much cares about her country. Recall her words to her royal suitor. I really don't have a good idea on Siroc and d'Artagnan. I don't think Ramon cares - about Spain or France (I mean, he left Spain and now serves a French king). His duty and loyalty are derived more from personal integrity and having given his word than from the belief in the worth of kind or country. The not-in-the-US-aired rhapsody in the transcript for "Chameleon" did have Ramon commenting on the immorality of the taking (stealing) the Indian treasures, I think.
Social order - Hmm, there's an iffy one. It's so little addressed in the show. None of them espouse the innate superiority of Kings or nobility (such as I've seen in historical letters and the like) or that the poor are vulgar or innately deserve less. Yet none of them express any thoughts that the poor are exploited or uncared for or unfairly unrepresented in government or deserving of better lives, either. The issue is pretty much unaddressed. Obviously, the show doesn't show the reality of poverty, but I don't even recall urban poor ever being seen or mentioned. I could understand the idea that this is just the world and they don't think of rank or status, but that's particularly illogical for Jacqueline, who has been exposed to two very different realities (though her family was by no means particularly poor, given what we saw of their home/possessions). The closest I recall was from Ramon and his "all people shine to those who love them" (or something similar) in "Enchanted" when he specifically disavowed the notion that some people were innately "more" than others. I don't know if he'd apply that in royalty v. nobility v. ordinary, though.
Interestingly enough, the only explicit reference I could find to either disavowing the right of royal or inherited rule or worship of God - both positions I agree with - came from the evil cult leader. Not sure what that says about me.
