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Post by Gabrielle on Sept 24, 2006 21:53:17 GMT -5
You can talk about this episode here.  |
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Post by jeantre16 on Dec 10, 2007 9:42:32 GMT -5
ladydartagnan asked in another thread, "Which ep had the onion fight in it?" This would be the one!
At the end of the ep, the four Ms are punished by Captain Duval and sentenced to peel onions ... a whole, piled up table worth of tear-jerkers. This turns into the perfect prop for a fight, winding up with one basket dumped over Jacqueline's head b d'Artagnan.
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Post by ladydartagnan on Dec 13, 2007 7:37:22 GMT -5
Haha! Oh dear! Lol, poor Jacqueline! Did she get him back for it?? >.> <.< I really need to see the episodes... Hm, I wonder if I could find them on Youtube....
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Post by queengwen on Jun 15, 2008 16:32:12 GMT -5
I liked this episode a lot, because it had good character development for D'Artagnan. You see him as carefree single man, and then he gets reponsible and you see his softer, caring side, and that he will definately be a good father/husband one day... unlike his own father.
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Post by jeantre16 on Jun 15, 2008 17:31:19 GMT -5
I agree, queenqwen. This ep really shows D's development. I don't even think he realized what he was capable of before the challenge came his way. He sure proved to be the better man.
It also helped J see him in a way she never would have had the baby not come along.
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Post by queengwen on Jun 15, 2008 20:06:39 GMT -5
Which is what drove me crazy in the next episode..when they ignored everything that happend...including D's two proposals...
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Post by thedaringhattrick on Jan 12, 2009 7:53:32 GMT -5
Re-watching this episode made me realize just how entertaining it was. There's a lot of cute humor in here, most of which comes from the foursome trying to hide Little D from Captain Duval. Siroc's interjection was what really threw me off kilter when it comes to his characterization. He's got a bit of spunk in him after all.
Good character development where J/D are involved too. I think its absolutely adorable how, in the scene where they're discussing the identity of the mother in Siroc's laboratory, d'Artagnan steals a few glances Jacqueline's way when she's cradling the baby. There's a lot in that just one look.
Mark Black was a great character to watch too. He was a good parallel to d'Artagnan--on a much more outrageous level, of course. Poor Louis trying to figure out why all the women in the palace were going nuts about a bandit. "But he has no land, no power..." I think most guys can relate. What is it about a dashing rascal?
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Post by sue on Jan 12, 2009 10:24:03 GMT -5
I’m going to make this really short (for me).  Ooh! I just caught a continuity problem…D’Artagnan’s sword is, in the fight scene in the snow, at first, when the two of them stand up, hanging left-handed. Then, they cut back and it’s hanging correctly. And, as they first wrestle in the slush, neither actually has anything in the scabbards…they are flopping around limply! Must have been too difficult to fight with those swords in the way! I have a couple of questions that I haven’t figured out about this episode. First, at the beginning, when Ramón finds the baby, and brings him into the common room, D’Artagnan protests that the baby can’t be his…Ramón says “read the note”. It says: “D’Artagnan, please raise this baby so he grows up to be as brave, and kind and noble as you are.” HOW do you infer from that that D’Artagnan sired the baby? I only get that someone wants him to RAISE the baby. But it’s funny how, as the story progresses, even D’Artagnan comes to think of the child as his, takes responsibility for him, and behaves more maturely than he has at any time prior. The expressions of all four musketeers, while they are trying to keep the baby hidden from the Captain are incredibly funny.  Then, when Jacques goes to D’Artagnan’s room with the diapers, while he’s napping, he, sound asleep, grabs her, in a most awkward position, and when she finally pushes herself away from him , he wakes, and with a touch of disappointment, notices “It’s you.” Then he launches into a description of the dream of “you, me and the baby,” in the cottage by the sea. Then, he suggests they get married, and, to sweeten the pot, he says “You wouldn’t have to shave anymore…” SHAVE? She doesn’t have to shave! WHAT would she have shaved? Women didn’t shave anything back then, and even now, getting married doesn’t mean you quit! Maybe he should have said “You wouldn’t have to put that stupid piece of hair on your chin, anymore.” THAT would have made more sense! Fact is, not only does she not have to shave, but she is pretty much the most HAIRLESS of all the Musketeers! As she leaves, she hands him the diapers, saying: “take two of these. I think you both need changing.” WHAT does that MEAN?  During the Highwayman ballad, in the extras…Jacques almost slips and reveals her identity to Ramón and Siroc…their expressions as she catches herself, lamely, are too funny!  Then there’s the line about forgetting how to be a woman…I’m not really sure why he said this…because I think he was really just trying to tempt her, and play on the way she was behaving at that moment…she looked almost as if she were longing to have a child of her own…I think he was really trying to use that instinct/emotion, but one doesn’t just “forget” how to be a woman, how to behave around a man, how to have and raise a child…those things are so instinctive and ingrained, that she, when she is ready, will surely slip right into the role of wife and mother…should that ever occur. You gotta love the prototype baby safety seat! As for the question about whether Jacqueline got D’Artagnan back with the onions, one would think so, but just after D. did so, there was a fade to black, so we didn’t get to see it.  |
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Post by thedaringhattrick on Jan 12, 2009 18:44:08 GMT -5
Hey sue, I hope you don't mind me stepping in to answer some of your musings here---not aiming to be stepping on any toes, certainly not intentionally, at least. Here are some of my thoughts: I have a couple of questions that I haven’t figured out about this episode. First, at the beginning, when Ramón finds the baby, and brings him into the common room, D’Artagnan protests that the baby can’t be his…Ramón says “read the note”. It says: “D’Artagnan, please raise this baby so he grows up to be as brave, and kind and noble as you are.” HOW do you infer from that that D’Artagnan sired the baby? I only get that someone wants him to RAISE the baby. But it’s funny how, as the story progresses, even D’Artagnan comes to think of the child as his, takes responsibility for him, and behaves more maturely than he has at any time prior. Yes, I agree that while the note does not state in any straightforward terms that the child belongs to d'Artagnan, I do think that what strikes home is the possibility that it is true. Judging from the brief round-table discussion concerning the identity of the baby's mother, d'Artagnan's promiscuity is brought to the forefront. And since there was no birth-control back then, when a baby basket arrives with a letter addressed to d'Artagnan, d'Artagnan = daddy is not so far-fetched a conclusion. Still, you're right, we really did get to see a bit of a more 'mature' d'Artagnan in this episode. While Marc Black, the real father, chose to persue his life as a highway crook over raising his son, d'Artagnan, when presented with the same choice, stepped up to his responsibilities despite the pain of abandoning his friends and beloved tenure as a musketeer. Such noble choices are instinctive for d'Artagnan, something that Marc was able to recognize immediately during their short but fated scuffle, and something that the viewer was able to glimpse as the episode progressed. We got to see d'Artagnan, the dashing, womanizing bachelor showing his potential as d'Artagnan the faithful and noble family man. Great character building. Ha-ha! I know. The second exchange between the Captain and Ramon when our favourite poet takes the blame for the ah--uhm, mysterious fragrances in the room yet again.... Duval's reaction is priceless. Duval: Is that you again, Ramon? Ramon: [sheepish] I'm thinking of seeing a doctor, sir. Duval: You may need a priest. I think the 'shave' comment was a teasing reference to Jacqueline's fake goatee. It's the first episode that its featured in, and Jacqueline dips her chin when he mentions it. The baby needs its diaper changed, and d'Artagnan just might need a change of clothes/shower after a good, long nap. Besides, if I was d'Artagnan and I found out the baby was mine and had to hide it from the captain... I'd be sweating bullets. Or maybe, considering that didn't bath all that much, it was a comment on him needing a bath--after all, she got close enough to get a whiff of him (I think that's why she scrunched up her nose) Highwayman ballad? Are you talking about when she mimicks some duchess about having diamonds the size of 'peach pits'? I thought that was another episode... Please post transcript of that scene! (Pretty please?!) Maybe it was just a comment on how long Jacqueline intends to keep up the charade--is she going to be a musketeer forever? After all, the clock is ticking and most women Jacqueline's age were getting married and having children, if they haven't done so already. Women back than had a very narrow window of opportunity when it came to conventional marital life. If you were twenty-two (my age, coincidentally) you were already considered an 'old maid.' If she waited too long, Jacqueline really would have to 'forget' how to be a woman where maternal/wifely matters were concerned. Or perhaps I'm just reading too deeply into this, but that's a possibility. I would assume she did.  Jacqueline is a fiesty one! Anyone else find Louis hilarious in this episode with the highwayman get-up? LOL. |
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Post by sue on Jan 13, 2009 1:19:22 GMT -5
Hey sue, I hope you don't mind me stepping in to answer some of your musings here---not aiming to be stepping on any toes, certainly not intentionally, at least. Here are some of my thoughts: never offended...my musings were posted to be commented on! Granted: it isn't so far-fetched, but it is not SAID. As for the "round-table discussion", D'Artagnan repeatedly defends his women's honors...flirt, yes. Experienced, yes. But promiscuous? Well, not by what he SAYS. I get the impression that he definitely dates around enough, but doesn't actually...well...take them to bed! At least not as often as all that. When the subject of Elinore comes up, it is clear that they might have had sex, but he simply can't remember...after all..."it's a wonder we didn't all receive baskets!" (much to Jacqueline's chagrin and disgust). Okay...the baby needing changing, I get...after all, I do it about 1- 15 times a day every day, myself! lol It was the reference to D'Artagnan...see, I never looked at it that way before...I always took that look of disgust to be that she didn't want to be that close to him, no matter HOW he smelled...disgust at the person she sees him to be, and at the fact that she is so attracted to him. Still, the bathing thing...we all know that historically, people only bathed once a year...history of French perfume and all that. Still, D'Artagnan always seemed to me to have been pristine, and clean and crisp. In fact, I think this was the first episode that I noticed...here he was, taking a nap, and he still looked fresh and crisp. Shirt pure white, and freshly ironed. If I take a nap in a t-shirt I wake up wrinkly! Besides, we already know that he likes to take a dip "all the time" in those hot springs...okay, maybe he hasn't had a chance since all this went down, but the reference was to the diapers. I doubt he wore them! OMG!!! You don't have the DVDS? I thought you did! It's one of the extra scenes. Jean has the transcript...I did it for her. I'm sure she'll get it up soon enough. When D'Artagnan takes his leave to drop the baby at the orhpanage (funny how the baby always seems to know and react appropriately to what is going on...crying as the Captain commands him to take care of that), Jacques, Ramón and Siroc go to the café to have a bowl of coffee. They are greeted by a sea of young women, all with yellow silk scarves and candles, swaying as a folk singer sings this ballad: "The highwayman, they highwayman...I hope they don't hang him too soon." As they make their way to their table, Ramón says in disgust: "The Highwayman! Let them ride patrols all night looking for him. See how excited they are!" Jacques: "...to see women act like that. Makes me ashamed to be a..." and she catches herself, realizing what she has almost said. Siroc, watching her quizzically: "...to be a what?" Jacques: "...to be a man who has to see women act like that, that's what!" (kinda a lame catch!) Siroc looks confused and frowns, while the camera cuts to Ramón, who frowns, raises an eyebrow, then gives a characteristic shrug, much as he did when she did the "diamonds as big as peach pits" line (that's in The Girl from Upper Gaborski, btw). The facials between Siroc and Ramón, in reaction to Jacques...that happens a number of times. I sort of wonder how far he was really planning on going at this point? Why was everyone so upset? Of course, by resigning from the Musketeers, he is changing the lives of the people he works with, but would he really have left Paris? Where was he going to go? Wouldn't he have just set up housekeeping at some apartment nearby and get a job? Do you guys believe that he would take the baby all the way back to the family home in Gascony? A home described as crumbling and threadbare in 1621, when his father left it? I would think he would have found a situation nearby, yet everyone there seemed to be behaving as if they would never see him again! |
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Post by thedaringhattrick on Jan 13, 2009 7:43:47 GMT -5
I know a whole bunch of the YB cast is now making guest appearances on Robson Arms. A clue, perhaps?
And pretty, pretty, pretty please post the transcript, Jean!
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Post by sue on Jan 13, 2009 10:18:18 GMT -5
yeah. It would appear Eureka is a biggie, too, but should I reveal clues?  |
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Post by thedaringhattrick on Jan 14, 2009 1:04:03 GMT -5
Nope, still don't got a clue. Granted: it isn't so far-fetched, but it is not SAID. As for the "round-table discussion", D'Artagnan repeatedly defends his women's honors...flirt, yes. Experienced, yes. But promiscuous? Well, not by what he SAYS. I get the impression that he definitely dates around enough, but doesn't actually...well...take them to bed! At least not as often as all that. When the subject of Elinore comes up, it is clear that they might have had sex, but he simply can't remember...after all..."it's a wonder we didn't all receive baskets!" (much to Jacqueline's chagrin and disgust). I love Jacqueline's reactions when they're discussing d'Artagnan's exploits during the round table discussion, and again when they're in Siroc's laboratory. Although the boys don't detect it, it underscores her position as the only girl in a group of boys and the differences between the sexes. And actually, I do think that d'Artagnan has slept with all the girls Ramon and Siroc mentioned and that I do think that he was just defending their honor as a gentleman. Afterall, he did mention to Jacqueline in episode two that he always brings his 'friends' to the hotsprings and that 'there's nothing like sliding into a warm body.....of water.' I do think he is a bit of a scoundrel, I'm not going to doubt that. Where Eleanor is concerned, she's singled out because she fits the timeline according to the conception of the baby. The Autumn Festival and the comment about all of them not receiving baskets, however, does point out that d'Artagnan isn't the only one who's chasing skirts... although he is the most, er, successful at/prone to it LOL. Okay, well, my mind just took a dirty detour on the subject of why else a grown man might need changing...so, let's move along, shall we? Thanks for posting the brief transcript. Damn. I have to re-watch my VHS episodes. I think I have that one on there... I don't think he would go as far as Gascony, but I think he would probably go to that cottage by the sea he was telling Jacqueline about, if he owned such a place. Then again, why do we get upset when our good friends who are co-workers get new jobs somewhere else--even if they are just down the street? We don't see them as much, even though we will continue to keep in touch. It's a shake up of routine. Besides, I think they were all feeling for d'Artagnan not because they would specifically miss him, but because they knew how much he was giving up and what it meant to him. He loves being a musketeer... As always, its lovely to discuss these insights with you, sue |
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Post by sue on Jan 14, 2009 3:32:32 GMT -5
Absolutely! The physical reactions in this episode...this, and the way she laughs when Captain Duval suggests "What's next? A woman Musketeer?" are all part of what is best about this episode!
I doubt that's on the VHS, though...more to come, with the episode this week! Really good extras!
(do you WANT a clue? Do you even have access to Robson Arms? I haven't had a chance to check out the third season, but I accidentally found some photos of Gabrielle Miller and John Cassini at the Leo Awards last spring! only semi related!)
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Post by thedaringhattrick on Jan 14, 2009 18:05:00 GMT -5
Nope, don't watch Robson Arms. In fact, I watch embarassingly little television. Young Blades, Bones and Law & Order are my three allowances (although, from time to time, I'm guilty of peaking in on the new Knight Rider series just for the eye-candy) So really, you might as well tell me what it is I'm missing here. lol.
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