Ramon

[tzigone]

You know, I was thinking Young Blades recently, and how Siroc and Ramon are unaware of Jacqueline's secret. Of course, that's part of the premise of the show, and that's why they don't see the obvious. But often I see the idea that Siroc is smart and see fic or discussion saying he'd figure it out. Now, Siroc is smart. But it seems to me that Ramon is the one more likely to figure it out. He's the one to comment on the always-locked door, and he's the one d'Artagnan said was making comments about Jacques's manhood. I don't recall any occasion where Siroc noticed anything "off" about Jacques that Ramon did not. So I think that if either of them were to figure it out (rather than find out like d'Artagnan did or be told) that it would more likely be Ramon.

[jeantre16]

Interesting observation, and you're right about those comments from Ramon.

The Siroc advocate (for knowing that Jacques is a woman) might say that "Of course Siroc knew, he just didn't talk about it. While Ramon's comments reflect that he still hasn't figured out what is obviously staring him in the face."

I don't know though, you do have a good point and I feel it could have gone either way. Good observaiton, tzigone!

[tzigone]

jeantre16 said:

The Siroc advocate (for knowing that Jacques is a woman) might say that "Of course Siroc knew, he just didn't talk about it. While Ramon's comments reflect that he still hasn't figured out what is obviously staring him in the face."

I have seen that idea. But I find it to be projecting, in a sense. I mean, if Siroc knows and isn't saying anything, that's fine. But you have to do something to show the audience that Siroc knows, even if the other characters don't see it. I don't recall anything like that. I'll rewatch to see his reaction after Jacqueline did her impression of the woman who's diamonds had been stolen to see if there's anything knowing in his expression (he was there, I thought? - not my favorite ep, so I don't remember it as well).

[ladydartagnan]

Hm, if Ramon had figured it out though, maybe the comments were just his way of hinting at the fact that perhaps at least subconsciously figured out that Jacques is a woman... hm, not exactly subtle, but it doesn't seem like Ramon is much of the subtle type anyway, really. Though from what I've seen, it's part of what makes him endearing to an extent, because it seems like he also has a bit of that cadish nature like D'artagnan, but he has a good heart nonetheless. But I still need to see the eps, so... *shrugs* what I've seen is just fanfics mostly, though. So I could be off... Dunno.

[jeantre16]

Your comment on Ramon's personality reminds me of Dani's fic - Secrets of Siroc. Dani has some Ramon moments that scream, "That's him! That is so Ramon!" Sometimes it's hard to define him, but when you see him, you know it.

Watch the eps and enjoy!

[ladydartagnan]

I started as more of a fan of Jacqueline and D'artagnan, but I'm slowly turning into a fan of Siroc and Ramon too... I've read a few of the fanfics on here that have those Ramon moments. My favorite Ramon moment, though, is from "Wanted" where he's hyped up on like 6 bowls of coffee...

[thedaringhattrick]

I think Ramon is a rather understated character in YB fanfiction. Most people are either focused on the Jacqueline/D'Artagnan relationship (moi, for example) or exploring Siroc's past. I think there's maybe one or two stories that feature Ramon as a main character.

Which is a shame. I think he'd be an interesting character to flesh out. There's more to him than a few Spanish words interjected into a sentence, an appetite and poetry. I really wonder how it is that he joined up with the musketeers, and why his sister is the only one who writes to him from Madrid.

Any theories?

[vigilanti]

I agree Poor Ramon gets left out so often. he's not just comic relief. That was why i wrote, "Taken" as a Ramon centric fic...but even that has quite a substantial dose of siroc-ness so it fits with the rest of my series.

[queengwen]

I think Ramon is prob the hardest of the 4 to write, and that makes people leave him out some.

[thedaringhattrick]

Ah, Vigilanti, and what a wonderful story "Taken" was! But you're right, it was quite Siroc centric nonetheless.

Mind you, despite everyone's heavy interested in our handsome inventor, I personally find him the most difficult to write about. He's a hard character to pinpoint, in my opinion, because he's not exactly the brooding scholar that most people typify him as; he's the least 'archetypal' of the four of them. He seems to change from one episode to the next. Sometimes he's broody, completely serious; other times, he's actually quite mischevious; and, when you least expect it, he'll pull the wool over your eyes by either doing something completely unexpected (brewing a love potion, of all things...) or say something incredibly hilarious. Mark did a wonderful job with Siroc, made him quite complex for a character we know so little about. I find it intimidating to try and recreate that 'formula' in my stories.

Meanwhile, Ramon is passionate and impulsive, almost like d'Artagnan in many respects, but, depending on the situation, he can either be more brash or more restrained than our favourite rogue. I'm guilty of writing Ramon in as the comic relief, but now that I think about it, he's actually the most sensitive of the group. He's also more observant than most of the others give him credit for. I see him as a sort of underdog, wherein he sometimes may feel underappreciated or ignored (if "Coat of Arms" and "Enchanted" are any indication).

He also seems to have horrendous luck when it comes to women.

There's so many backstories written for Siroc, most of them dealing with his 'slave' past (although I'm not sure I see that, to be honest) but no one has taken on Ramon! I'm quite tempted by the prospect.

And although I have some ideas, I'm just trying to figure out how to weave it into a story that follows an 'episode' format.

Hmmm....

[jeantre16]

Dani has written with a keen insight to Ramon. She has his little nuances down. He's witty and has a dark sense of humor at times. Then, he's noble and fights with flair. Of course, there's his poetic side that has unexpected twists to it.

[queengwen]

Yes, she has him down pretty good.

[kristanci]

I was watching a little bit of Rub a Dub Sub last night with my boyfriend. He didn't know I was involved with a YB forum. So when Ramon and Siroc's subaquatic chamber scene started, he said "his accent doesn't stay all the way." My reaction? *GASP!!!* How dare you!? *Smack!* And that was my night haha.

[sue]

Oct 17, 2008 13:21:55 GMT -5 kristanci said:

"his accent doesn't stay all the way."

What on earth did he mean by that? That Ramón's accent wasn't authentic??? I'd have smacked him, too.

My first reaction when I heard the character open his mouth was He [the actor] REALLY knows Spanish! (His accent is very Madrid!)

[kristanci]

Certain words you can hear it come in an out, but my thought is that I don't care. With period series like these, it's difficult to determine whether or not to use authentic words like "mademoiselle". They are speaking in English, but they technically talking in French. So sometimes words sounds more accented than others haha.