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Post by tzigone on Jul 23, 2007 12:16:01 GMT -5
This is an episode I just can't like. I hate the Dumas thing - that it seems more "in continuity" (unlike the Hercules eps I saw like this) makes it even worse. And I was quite sad about Gerard, but could accept that. I hate the use of the love potion, though. I really do regard love potions as drugging people and taking away their free-will and find it very icky and quite disturbing when the good guys use them, and even though I know it's a comedy, I still really hate it, because that sort of thing just isn't funny to me - more creepy and predatory.
I don't actually like the cross bit, either. It frightens me with looming prospects of she's-not-really-who-she-thinks-she-is. Even though nothing loomed, because it was the end. I like her as she was presented - a farmer's daughter, a strong woman, who took action because her family was randomly targeted. The cross and the message make me think of a high probability of "she's really somebody special/nobility/etc.", which I don't really like (in large part because you'd all but definitely get a "her father isn't really her father" revelation). Or maybe I'd just seen too many shows take that route and was over-sensitive to it.
Also, too many flashblacks for an episode with that many plots - if they were going to kill Gerard, it really needed to be the A-plot in an ep, with only one subplot to it. I did find the ep confusing when I first watched (probably partially because I wasn't paying that much attention, for reasons previously mentioned), and I haven't watched it again since. Just have no desire to. Least favorite ep of the series.
Not to say there's nothing good about it, of course. But overall, it doesn't rate high with me.
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Post by tzigone on Jul 25, 2007 20:57:29 GMT -5
Okay, I just rewatched this ep, since my sister was watching the series straight through. Her impulse is to strike it from her continuity for not making sense.
I do have a question, though. I'll admit, I didn't pay as much attention as I maybe should have, but I don't see where Dumas explained why they were running from the the guards at the beginning or riding off in fancy clothes. The last storybit I recall had D'Artagnan threatening Mazarin and the rhapsody and no indication they needed to run from anything.
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Post by Jaded on Jul 28, 2007 18:58:53 GMT -5
I just rewatched this episode yesterday, skipping past the flashback scenes, and I realized that I actually do like it a lot. It's just that flashbacks should not belong in a season finale, ever (and only with very good reason in any other episode).
I am happy that there are extra scenes on the DVD, since I just sent in a check for my set (finally!). Yay!
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Post by queengwen on Jun 17, 2008 16:22:22 GMT -5
Ok.. I saw it again, and remember why this is my fav..minus the flashbacks...  Someone mentioned D'Artagnan going after Jacqueline to use the potion...I disagree. The look on his face was concern... and why he followed her... he merely decided to use it, after she wouldn't 'open up' to him... I don't think they intended for us to 'understand' why they were running... or rather how they found out about Jacaqueline... there was a gap... which is were fanfic comes into play. Jaded... how much is the dvd set? And how do you order it? I plan to do that soon since I got my gov money and all. |
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Post by tpal2150 on Jun 17, 2008 16:35:49 GMT -5
Don't know if I weighed in on this episode on this board or not, but I can honestly say it's not one of my favorites. I liked the 'in-universe' story (the one involving the love potion and Gerard), but can't stand the Dumas scenes. Number one, they made absolutely no sense. In the main story, Jacqueline's secret dies with Bernard. So why would she and D'Artagnan suddenly be on the run?
Also, they didn't even try to cast Dumas correctly. I know the show isn't exactly a place to be learning history, but they could've at least put in some effort. The historical Dumas was a black man. However, not only did they cast an old white guy, but I'm pretty sure they used the SAME actor who played the ambassador in the previous episode (correct me if I'm wrong). If you're going to reuse an actor, at least put a few episodes in between. Normally, I can forgive inaccuracies if the show is entertaining, but this one really bothers me.
At any rate, if they'd just aired the main story, I would've really enjoyed the episode (see my edited version on youtube), but the Dumas subplot just takes away from the whole thing (especially in the ending, since the 'on the run' bit seems more like authorial whim than any effort to create an actual plot). Far as I'm concerned, the series ended with the toast to Gerard's memory.
(okay, rant over...climbing down from my soapbox now...)
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Post by queengwen on Jun 17, 2008 17:06:48 GMT -5
lol!
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Post by tpal2150 on Mar 27, 2010 22:58:07 GMT -5
Okay, I just finished re-watching Secrets (without the Dumas parts, of course). Maybe it's just me, but in the last scene (i.e. the toast), Jacqueline seems to be speaking a bit more naturally (her normal voice instead of the 'Jacques' one) than she usually does when Siroc and Ramon are around. A hint that they did discover her secret, perhaps?
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Post by sue on Mar 28, 2010 16:52:48 GMT -5
I always thought it was just about the fact that she was too distraught to keep up the pretense, but then...She might have let them know.
Eventually, they would have to have found out.
Wish they had kept things going long enough to develop those things.
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Post by jeantre16 on Mar 29, 2010 8:18:03 GMT -5
Hard for Siroc to work on her injury and not find out. If only season 2 would have launched. A whole season could have been written around them all knowing.
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Post by tpal2150 on Mar 29, 2010 16:19:21 GMT -5
Yeah. I mean, I don't think it's even possible for them to have walked in on the scene at the cabin (her crying over her brother, shirt torn and hanging loosely) and not figured it out. If Bernard could work it out with her just laying there on the bed, Siroc and Ramon would definitely have picked up on it.
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Post by sue on Mar 29, 2010 17:07:02 GMT -5
She WAS pretty weakened by the wound in that scene. I'm sure you're right.
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Post by potc166 on Apr 11, 2010 19:48:05 GMT -5
why did they have to cancell the show... I wanna know what the deal with the cross is....and I want Jacqueline and d'Artagnan to have a thing....and I want a happy ening where Mazrin and his men are arrested and yeah....  |
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Post by jeantre16 on Apr 12, 2010 10:42:33 GMT -5
You'll have to read the "fanfics"! Lots of fans didn't want the show to end so they wrote what happened next. ;D
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Post by potc166 on Apr 12, 2010 17:50:15 GMT -5
I have read and enjoyed them...I want more though there aren't enough fanfics. there need to be more |
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Post by jeantre16 on Apr 12, 2010 18:38:29 GMT -5
Greedy fan! lol  Rumor has it that there are more in the works! |
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