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Post by parazesis on Aug 11, 2007 0:42:09 GMT -5
hahahaha nice. But I do have to argue that most fans believe that the Dumas overture in Secrets was ridiculous, seeing as it killed the series while the story simulated it. But yes it would be out of character FOR NOW (MuWaHahahah). We all know that those two crazy love birds are totally going to get together. We must sit speculate and be patient for it is only a matter of when and how, but hey that is what fanfiction is for ;D
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Post by thedaringhattrick on Dec 14, 2007 1:53:42 GMT -5
hahahaha nice. But I do have to argue that most fans believe that the Dumas overture in Secrets was ridiculous, seeing as it killed the series while the story simulated it. But yes it would be out of character FOR NOW (MuWaHahahah). We all know that those two crazy love birds are totally going to get together. We must sit speculate and be patient for it is only a matter of when and how, but hey that is what fanfiction is for ;D Heck yes the Dumas overture was ridiculous. However, that does not dismiss the series' intentions for a Jacqueline and D'Artagnan relationship. I also completely agree that it's going to take some time for D'Artagnan and Jacqueline to get together. As any author with a penchant for challenge and crises, I definitely, whole-heartedly agree that these two are going to have to go to hell and back before they can realistically get together. However, what originally sparked my mini-essays was simply my defense of D'Artagnan's 'lack of maturity' as an excuse as to why this relationship cannot happen, not a given timeline when or how he and Jacqueline are going to get together. They will eventually (as this fangirl believes), although the when and how remains to be determined. As it stands, in the meantime, as I have argued, D'Artagnan is on his way to becoming the mature and trustworthy partner of Jacqueline's dreams!  |
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Post by parazesis on Dec 14, 2007 14:49:25 GMT -5
I wholehartedly agree with you but I still think that although it will talke time, lots of time, for them to develop a relasonship he better get his act together before too long or else some other king charles dude is going to ride in and sweep her off her feet and then he'll lose her forever. But yes he has grown up some.... not all the way though.
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Post by thedaringhattrick on Dec 14, 2007 19:23:32 GMT -5
I wholehartedly agree with you but I still think that although it will talke time, lots of time, for them to develop a relasonship he better get his act together before too long or else some other king charles dude is going to ride in and sweep her off her feet and then he'll lose her forever. But yes he has grown up some.... not all the way though. Yes, that is pretty much what I said in the post above  Glad we agree. |
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Post by sue on May 7, 2008 14:13:53 GMT -5
Also D'artagnion is a cad, a very good looking cad but a cad none the less. we cant wright too much about him without getting ourselves mauled by jealous girls from the past not to mention that Jackelyn subconsciously has him wrapped around her finger.  Not even going to read past here without making a comment.. HE IS NOT!!!  He just acts that way because everyone expects it of him, and they expect it because he is the son of "THE the." In fact, I doubt that the elder D'Artagnan is such a cad, it's just part of his legend, and he only lives up to it to the extent that it is expected of HIM. And if we had had a chance to see the characters develop more fully, we would have seen that his true nature is that of noble gentleman, as Jacqueline notes in the final episode. And, that she, consciously or not, pushes him in that direction, more and more.  |
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Post by thedaringhattrick on May 7, 2008 22:09:01 GMT -5
He just acts that way because everyone expects it of him, and they expect it because he is the son of THE the. In fact, I doubt that the elder D'Artagnan is such a cad, it's just part of his legend, and he only lives up to it to the extent that it is expected of HIM. And if we had had a chance to see the characters develop more fully, we would have seen that his true nature is that of noble gentleman, as Jacqueline notes in the final episode. And, that she, consciously or not, pushes him in that direction, more and more. I couldn't agree more. And besides, while we call him a cad, by definition, he isn't one. He isn't exactly going out of his way to seduce women and then leave 'em--that's more up Casanova's alley than d'Artagnan's. It's more the women who fall for his charming image, without him even trying. There was a quote from Enchanted that captures the essence of his relationship with women perfectly: Louis: "How about you, d'Artagnan? Are you out conquering the beauties of France?" D'Artagnan: "I do not conquer them, your majesty, I merely accept their surrender." That! That's what defines his character for me. He's got an arrogant charm to him (if you were him, wouldn't you?) but he genuinely cares for women. For example, in The Da Vinci Notebook he wanted to spare Mirelle's feelings, so he told her he was going away rather than bluntly telling her the truth about her obnoxious clingyness. Or taking advantage of her love-sick nature. Besides, other than the first two episodes, where do we see d'Artagnan actively chasing other women anyway? Sure, we've got women fawning over him--he's the son of the legendary d'Artagnan, for goodness sake, and he's pretty cute too!-- but he doesn't encourage their advances. A cad wouldn't turn down a private liason with Princess Tatiana, nor shy away from an opportunity to get in Jacqueline's pants, love potion or not. A cad is someone who is irresponsible and dishonorable in his relations with women, and d'Artagnan is none of those things. |
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Post by sue on May 8, 2008 2:02:18 GMT -5
the women who fall for his charming image, without him even trying.
There was a quote from Enchanted that captures the essence of his relationship with women perfectly:
Louis: "How about you, d'Artagnan? Are you out conquering the beauties of France?"
D'Artagnan: "I do not conquer them, your majesty, I merely accept their surrender."
That! That's what defines his character for me. He's got an arrogant charm to him (if you were him, wouldn't you?) but he genuinely cares for women.
ABSOLIUTELY!
Besides, other than the first two episodes, where do we see d'Artagnan actively chasing other women anyway? Sure, we've got women fawning over him--he's the son of the legendary d'Artagnan, for goodness sake, and he's pretty cute too!-- but he doesn't encourage their advances.
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Actually, even in the first two episodes, he isn't so much pursuing the ladies, as simply charming them with a few compliments, and as he, himself says, he "never compliments insincerely".
And I thought I was the only one who was sitting around overanalyzing this show! ;D
Nice to find someone else doing so as well. ;D
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Post by thedaringhattrick on May 8, 2008 6:03:01 GMT -5
And I thought I was the only one who was sitting around overanalyzing this show! ;D Nice to find someone else doing so as well. ;D You obviously have read all my mini-essays floating around the forum threads. lol. Nope, you're not the only one. We need to sit down and have tea sometime. Or maybe just a discussion/analysis of some aspect of the show. I'd love to see your point of view on a few things  Especially some of the episodes. See you in the episode forum? |
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Post by jeantre16 on May 8, 2008 6:10:13 GMT -5
I've done my share, that's for sure.
It's nice to have your fresh perspective on d'Artagnan though. D'Art's definitely my choice for J. He did have some roguish edges though. Remember that comment at the Cafe in Da Vinci's Notebook (I think) about having triplets for the evening, and that they were welcome to join him if they could find a date. Hmm. That was a bit bold.
He also, rose to the occasion several other times, expecting and welcoming the woman's attention over the others. As the season progressed, however, he did less of that and was more attached to J.
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Post by thedaringhattrick on May 8, 2008 9:50:20 GMT -5
He also, rose to the occasion several other times, expecting and welcoming the woman's attention over the others. As the season progressed, however, he did less of that and was more attached to J. Do you have examples? I've recently watched the series all the way through and can't recall any such instances. |
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Post by sue on May 8, 2008 11:16:46 GMT -5
And I thought I was the only one who was sitting around overanalyzing this show! ;D Nice to find someone else doing so as well. ;D You obviously have read all my mini-essays floating around the forum threads. lol. ____________________________________________________ Oh, no. Not even close! But enough to get the idea. I have tons of time to mess around in here, and still, I have TONS to catch up on! ____________________________________________________ Nope, you're not the only one. We need to sit down and have tea sometime. ____________________________________________________ I 'm home all day most weekdays! ;D You can come over any day in the afternoon, while the kiddos are napping! I keep tea around, but I drink coffee...I laughed I disagree off the first time I watched Jacques spit out the tea in (I can't remember which episode - ok, to Heir is Human) THAT'S ME! ____________________________________________________ Or maybe just a discussion/analysis of some aspect of the show. I'd love to see your point of view on a few things Especially some of the episodes. See you in the episode forum? |
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Post by queengwen on Jun 13, 2008 16:55:52 GMT -5
I've done my share, that's for sure. It's nice to have your fresh perspective on d'Artagnan though. D'Art's definitely my choice for J. He did have some roguish edges though. Remember that comment at the Cafe in Da Vinci's Notebook (I think) about having triplets for the evening, and that they were welcome to join him if they could find a date. Hmm. That was a bit bold. He also, rose to the occasion several other times, expecting and welcoming the woman's attention over the others. As the season progressed, however, he did less of that and was more attached to J. Must go back and see these episodes... I agree w/ the first oh 3 episodes seeing that 'image' of him..and peronally... I didn't care too much for his character...untill epi. 4... when we REALLY saw who he was... willing to die if necessary for Jacqueine and their friendship..to protect her... the rest of the episodes... his 'cadish' behavior I think is explainable by 2 things. 1.) Image... a guy MUST keep up appearances or the 'others' get suspious someone has them wraped around their finger...and they would be correct. 2.) Classic make her jealous, make her see what she's missing...'baiting her' so to speak... though in most cases it doesn't work too well..as we see. and in Secrets... we see not only his blasted willingness to keep tabs on her to the point of stalking... *how does he do it anyway? The man must NEVER sleep* but he's genuinely hurt when she starts talking about all those women who fawn over him... and of course... he does NOT take advantage... not that he would've cuz we as the audience KNOW the potion did NOT work on her.... he didn't. Yes, she was scared and vulunerable to a point... but she was willing to offer a 'kiss' prob more to please him and to 'test the waters' and he rejected her...or so she thinks and that sets her defesives right back up... I'm sure I can argue/debate some more... but I'll stop w/ that for now. |
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Post by jeantre16 on Jun 17, 2008 20:30:30 GMT -5
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Post by queengwen on Jun 17, 2008 20:50:32 GMT -5
Well..it's true!
Maybe he has some sort of alarm, like Robin had.... *see last week's episode*
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Post by jeantre16 on Jun 18, 2008 7:18:58 GMT -5
Yes. And poor Marian wound up in it. LOL And then, the newlyweds at the end, too.
I wonder if d'Artagnan watches her so much at the beginning because he thinks she may be lying still? Maybe hiding something. Just a thought.
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Glad we agree. 
He just acts that way because everyone expects it of him, and they expect it because he is the son of "THE the." In fact, I doubt that the elder D'Artagnan is such a cad, it's just part of his legend, and he only lives up to it to the extent that it is expected of HIM. 
