Ep#4 The Exile

[Gabrielle]

You can talk about The Exile here. ;D

[queengwen]

I wanted to point out something...

the Whole 'Charles' proposing thing *if that's really what he was doing*

D'Artagnan was correct in his 'Royal marriages' are for political and fianicially gain.

All the English Monarchy and France too, the marriages were arranged or the bride chosen to make certain people 'happy' or for Treaties w/ another country and etc...

so...realistically speaking...Charles couldn't have married her. With that rules, AND the fact he was trying to get his throne back... he would have NO choice at all. It would have to be someone w/ influence and power.

So, it's a good thing she didnt go, she most likely would've ended up as his mistress.

Sorry, just wanted to point that fact out.

[jeantre16]

I very much agree with you. The Charles in "Exile" kept changing his word and gave the viewers the feeling he would have eventually downgraded his proposal to a mistress status.

That's why I plotted a different course in my story, Sign of the Cross. I gave Charles a bit of back story and foreknowledge on Jacqueline's origin.

As history goes, Charles Stuart did have many children outside of marriage. He did acknowledge them as his, which was interesting for a royal to do. It wasn't long ago I looked all this up, but my brain is tired and I don't recall the details right now.

[warrioress]

Remember though, Charles left England as a very young boy and lived in France most of his life. In fact, when he finally did return to the throne (very much later), he was more French than English, language-wise, religiously, and culturally. He lived most of his life as an ex-royal, and I believe in history married a French woman (though she was nobility). Since Jacquline had a "brother" in the musketeers, the implication would be that she was of some breeding. So, his marrying Jacqueline in exile is actually not that absurd or impossible.

[vigilanti]

-side note-

"As history goes, Charles Stuart did have many children outside of marriage. He did acknowledge them as his, which was interesting for a royal to do."

historically Our Louis also acknowledged all his extra-marital children his little princesses all married royally.

[kristanci]

Wow... I didn't know all this. Well um... to back up Youngblades, if he didn't "propose" to Jacqueline then d'Artagnan wouldn't have gotten jealous. ^^ I like little scenes like that. Make me feel all girly hahaha.

[queengwen]

yeah, exactly...

but my point is D'Artagnan had a legimate argument, even if she choose not to listen at that time.

[potc166]

good points...

[sue]

Jun 11, 2007 22:04:30 GMT -5 warrioress said:

and I believe in history married a French woman (though she was nobility).


Actually, she was a Portuguese princess. Catherine of Braganza, and they never had any children, so there is some doubt as to her ability to have carried and given birth, as Charles had so many illegitimate children.

Yeah, Jacquline would have probably been a mistress and nothing more.

My question is, if Charles lived most of his life in France, and his mother spent years in the Palace as a guest of Louis, how is it that Louis didn't even know who he was when Jacqueline inroduced them? Wouldn't he have KNOWN who his own first cousin was, especially since he had been living in his country most of his life?

[jeantre16]

Good point!

[thedaringhattrick]

Yeah, but let's face it, Young Blades really isn't about historical accuracy and I think it's is quite conscious of that too.

Still, shifting the conversation back to the actual episode, did anyone else feel like it was... lacking somehow? I mean, historicity and royal practice aside, I didn't quite buy Charles' immediate and genuine interest in making Jacqueline his wife, nor could I believe that she actually took it seriously (although, let's face it, what girl wouldn't want to buy into the dream of being a Queen?). She just fell for him too hard and too fast--that's not exactly the Jacqueline we know.

There wasn't much of a plot either--it was just so poorly developed. Although I enjoyed the plethora of J/D moments (especially the one at the end) I have to say this was probably my least favourite episode... right along with "To Heir is to Human."

Does anyone agree?

[jeantre16]

I wouldn't say it was my least favorite ep. I did like the J/D explorations. Much of the maturity between them grew from what happened in this ep.

If J hadn't "bought into" the idea of being his queen, she never would have considered going. On the other hand, Charles seemed (to me) like the kind of guy who "felt" allured by her being his queen, if but for a moment. He would have drifted on to his next conquest by the time they hit England's shores.

But, keep in mind, fans still wonder if she was showing up at that port to turn him down. The ep never states for sure that she was "going" with him. When she got to the port, she discovers that she's been lied to and heads back to the palace. We can only speculate about her intents.

I'm happy to see that she didn't go. And that last scene between her and D is precious. The two are meant for one another, quirky "musketeerish" personalities and all.

[thedaringhattrick]

Apr 23, 2008 23:57:41 GMT -5 jeantre16 said:

But, keep in mind, fans still wonder if she was showing up at that port to turn him down. The ep never states for sure that she was going with him. When she got to the port, she discovers that she's been lied to and heads back to the palace. We can only speculate about her intents.

Ah, let's analyze this, shall we?

Firstly, she asks for the night to decide whether she will accept Charles' proposal in the first place. Fair enough, it's a big life decision, no sense in rushing into it. But then she wakes D'Artagnan and asks him if he would come with her--to me, that hints at that being some factor in her decision. She scoffs at his explanation at royal marriages, but I think it stays with her anyhow, because she ends up at the port the next day and begins asking the Captain a question "What would you do..." and is cut off when he relays the King's message. I suppose it depends on how you think she would finish the question. To me, it seems like she showed up (like D'Artagnan told her, to go before she regrets it) but was still ultimately undecided. Likely, if he didn't betray her and they left port, I think she would have quickly changed her mind and jumped the ship. lol

In Secrets she reveals to D'Artagnan that the truth about Charles was that "[she] liked him less the more she got to know him," and then explains in such a way that it was his betrayal that turned her off of him.

So my understanding was that, at this point, she wasn't completely sorted of her feelings for either men. Perhaps if she hadn't known D'Artagnan, it is likely she would have left and become Queen of England come 1660 when Charles was finally restored to the throne... or likely his mistress.

Eitherway, I don't think she was completely decided when she showed up at port. Anyone want to debate?

[sue]

I totally agree with you. I think she really wanted D'Artagnan to go along, as a backup plan...If he were there, and something went bad, she had someone to help her escape. She was terrified of leaving her home behind, going to a new country, with a language that she didn´t know anything of, and leaving EVERYTHING behind. If D'Artagnan went, she had an accomplice in case she needed it...but he already knew there was no way he could sit and be a servant to her as Queen, and watch her marry Charles...And I doubt very much that he could ever have gotten away with marrying her and being restored to his father's throne.

I actually believe that Jacqueline never planned to marry Charles, but might have used him to get away from the Wanted thing. I always thought that she might just have escaped and then started a new life, which was why, whether she even realised it at the time or not, she asked D'Artagnan to go along...to start a new life TOGETHER...go back to Four Musketeers and a Baby, and look at his proposals in that ep.

Personally, this is My favorite, because of the extremely subtle nuances in their glances, and how their relationship developed.

[jeantre16]

I agree that the circumstances caused J and D to realize their feelings for one another more, but I do not think J had any thoughts of running away with D.

J was still very much in a state of denial (or discovery) and perhaps things were catching up to her in this ep. She realizes there's another side of her, besides the one that always dreamt of being a musketeer. And in realizing that, she begins to see how maybe d'Artagnan, and not Charles, is the kind of guy that has the traits she desires. However, she's nowhere near ready to jump off "lover's leap" for D just yet. There's still a lot that she refuses to settle for in him. So while in the end she's content to play swords with D, a romantic relationship is still out of the question.